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beaintheuk
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« on: July 17, 2002, 01:41:22 pm » |
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I am looking to change jobs as some of you already know and today I have been offered a job. However it never is that easy!
The job is great although with less responsibilities and due to that, it comes with a lower salary. Conditions are good: higher pension contribution from the company, more holidays, subsidised canteen, other French nationals within the company, the director I would work for is very nice...
Why I can't decide? Because of money: the location is further than my current job and I would have to travel 35 miles instead of 12 but the traffic on the journey is not heavy, so this means more money spent on petrol as well as a lesser salary. The role is due to expand in 6 months once I have proven my abilities even though no pay rise is guaranteed at that time.
I like my current job but got threatened with redundancy and feel very insecure each time my boss tells me off - rightly or not. Also I started to dislike working for my boss which is a bit of a problem when it's a 1-2-1... He refused my Xmas holiday last year and I dread asking him this year because if I get a refusal I would have to tell him that I am taking unpaid leave, which would lead to a 'fall-out' situation...
Anybody been in this 'undecisive' position with some advice???
I am trying to get different viewpoints to help me decide...
BTW I asked for the salary to be increased of course but the company has reached their level and cannot offer more. The director wants me to get back to him by tomorrow. He actually called me directly after I talked to the Personnel Manager and that I mentioned the salary is not high enough.
Thanks
Bea
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chevygirl55
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2002, 01:57:00 pm » |
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Sounds to me like in the plus and minus columns, the new jobs only minus is the less money part. But if you look at the overall compensation package, is it really less money?
I can tell you that a few years ago my husband was working at a job he hated, outrageous hours,crappy boss, but the pay was excellent. He wanted out. We talked. Worked on the budget and figured for his health and well being, we could make it. (Keep in mind we had two children in college at the time.) He took a job with much better working conditions, appreciative bosses, a lot less pay. Five years later I can tell you without reservation, it was the best thing he did, not only for himself but for the wellfare of his family as well.
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countrigal
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2002, 02:00:29 pm » |
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You're the only one who can make this decision, but look at everything you said. Make a pros and cons list and see what you come up with. How important is the decline in salary when compared to the added benefits you would get with the new company? Look at your stress level where you're at and how you're reacting to things... would it improve with the new company, even at the lower salary? What are the chances for advancement at the new company? It might be that once you get there and get settled, that you'll have more opportunities for growth and/or advancement. I strongly recommend writing out pros and cons for each position and seeing which one is more favorable to you. Could you live on the lower salary, even with more costs involved with commuting? If you can't, then unfortunately the answer is simple. Run the numbers, the pros and cons, and let us know what you decide. It's tough to be in your shoes...
Sympatheticallly,
CountriGal
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msmarieh
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2002, 03:03:21 pm » |
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Not sure what the time difference is but definitely take that into account. Let's say your current commute is 15 minutes and you will be going to a commute of 45 minutes as an example. That's an extra 5 hours a week. Take that 40 hour salary, and divide it out by 45 hours. How much less is it now?
As far as the responsibility, it sounds like you have talked with the potential employer about your need to expand your wings down the line. Assuming they stand behind what they say in the interview, it probably won't even take six months for you to prove what you are capable of doing. Most positions can be expanded if you have a little creativity and look around at what service you could provide that the company needs.
Living in stressful situations every day, not knowing if you wil lhave a job tomorrow or not takes its toll on us. Better to get out when you get an opportunity that you can live with. But don't jump out of the frying pan into the fire to avoid the stress!!!
Marie
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gillianscott
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2002, 04:17:00 pm » |
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Hello Bea,
Regarding the lower salary being offered - presume this is gross salary and you would then pay less income tax and social security contributions than you are paying now. How much difference would this make to your net salary - especially when you take into account the additional benefits being offered by the new company? You say that you will have a longer commute but that the traffic will be lighter, so would that make the journey less stressful? I know this doesn't help with petrol costs (which are even higher than they are here in Belgium!) but a general reduction in stress levels is definiitely something to be considered. And, who knows, there might be an opportunity to car pool and share expenses.
Having reread your previous threads - your boss sounds petty (complaining because you don't make him enough cups of tea for instance) and insecure and is not going to change. You say you're starting to dislike him - that isn't going to change either! It's definitely time to move on.
Good luck with weighing up the pros and cons anyway.
Best regards.
Gillian
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hightechea
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2002, 04:40:16 pm » |
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Bea- Very tough decision you have to make. But ask yourself at the end of the day was the extra bit of salary worth the aggravation and torment? I was in a similar situation, worked for a great company and loved my boss but when he moved backeast I got stuck with one of the rudest, unbusiness like individuals. I stuck it out for almost 6 months and didn’t want to leave because of the salary decrease I would have to take. But one day it finally came to a head and I had an enough. No amount of money was worth being treated like a non human. I quit took another position with a lower salary and not as many perks, but you know what, it was the best decision I every made. Sure the money is nice but isn’t your health and happiness worth more? Plus as someone else already said you have to also add in the extra benefits you will be receiving. I have been there and know that is it scary, heck change is scary. Do what you feel will benefit you in the long run. Take care and remember we are here to support you. Robin  |
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execsec
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2002, 04:44:01 pm » |
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I went through your situation about a year ago. I left my job (that I really really liked but had to drive 30 miles one way in 70 MPH bumper-to-bumper traffic) and took a job 6.5 miles from home for more money. Do I like the job better? NO! Do I enjoy my drive? YES! My stress level is way, way down, and instead of taking 45 minutes to get to work, it takes about 15. The extra money was a bonus (plus not having to use as much gas each week) and I went from professional dress to business casual most days. However, I've not been extremely happy at my new job. No amount of money can make you like your job. I think if I had to do it over again, I would probably make the same decision. I do have more time for my family, and our priorities have changed to focus more on our children and less on our professional lives. I agree with all the others, you really should make a pros and cons list and go with your "gut" feelings!
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beaintheuk
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2002, 03:13:26 pm » |
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Thank you all for your comments. It's always so interesting to hear about other people experience and sometimes puts things into perspective. I have made my decision and decided to take the job!!!!!  I will only tell my boss when I get back from my hol's next Thursday but I confirmed with the new company and I am already going to a medical tomorrow!!!! I think the stress factor was pretty much decisive. I talked it through with my boyfriend last night and slept on it, so here we are! I called my 'new boss' this morning to confirm and he was delighted. Thank you all Bea |
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gillianscott
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2002, 04:53:47 pm » |
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Congratulations and good for you! Think you made the right decision.
Gillian
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kittie
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2002, 12:01:06 pm » |
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To all bossies out there.....
If you are unreasonable to your staff, you will lose them. Serves you right!
Well done Bea - I hope you are very happy in your new job.
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catsmeat
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Congrats Bea. I hope it works out for you. I was in a similar situation myself some years ago, and made the jump - never looked back. My other half commented that within two weeks of starting the new job, I was a new woman!
Good luck!
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copyboy007
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Taking the lower paying job for the sake of personal happiness worked out for me. Glad to hear it will be the path you'll be taking as well. CopyBoy007
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